very telling statement there from lance armstrong. jim gray joins me now, sports doctor and fox news contributor. and keith ablow, doctor and member of the fox medical team. what i'm particularly interested in right now is the larger culture of our society that we demand this. we demand people to breakthrough these barriers. we start with kid when they are very little, competing in sports, spending hours and hours every weekend competing in different things. how much of that contributes, do you think, dr. keith ablow let me start with you, to the culture that creates a lance armstrong that need to win-at-all-costs and te'o manti as well? >> i'd say very little. because in fact our culture is one that gives ribbons to kids when they don't win. if anything i believe -- martha: that only lasts nor a few years in grade school then it gets quite a bit more cut throat after that. >> i guess that is true. you know what we have to go back to grade school for this. the kind of thing that creates a lance armstrong, or a te'o manti for different